Should Maps of Local Gun Owners Be Public?
A newspaper's map with names and addresses of handgun permit holders in New York state has sparked controversy. We want to hear your thoughts.
A newspaper's map with names and addresses of handgun permit holders in New York state has sparked controversy. We want to hear your thoughts.
In late December, about two weeks after the Newtown school shootings in Connecticut, Patch received a request from a Kenilworth resident to publish a map of gun owners in Cook and Lake counties.
The reader referred to a map, which included the names and addresses of handgun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties, N.Y. The Journal News created the map using publically available data and said it was providing a public service by publishing the information.
But not everyone agreed.
Facebook user Mike Pandolfo was quoted in the New York Times as saying: “Now everyone knows where the LEGAL GUNS are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals. Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the ILLEGAL GUNS are kept? That would be helpful to the non-criminal population.”
The map and the article sparked outrage and thousands of angry comments, and in response a Connecticut lawyer posted the phone number and addresses of the Journal’s staff, TechCrunch.com reported.
Recently, the Journal has hired armed guards to protect its staff after receiving an intimidating email, Reuters reported.
While we understand why some residents would value having a map of gun owners in Cook and Lake counties, Patch editors also wondered if it would indeed be a public service.
Could publishing such a map prevent a tragedy like the Newtown shooting? Would it make residents feel safer? Or is it a bad idea?
We do not have all the answers and wanted to invite you, our readers, to join in our discussion. What do you think? Should the media publish maps of gun owners in the community?
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RonnieTheLimoDriver
1:16 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
How do you propose to get this information? This is not public information in IL due to law passed a couple years ago: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0080
You should do your research before publishing articles of this nature PATCH.
Chi-an Chang
2:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Thanks for sharing the link. We are still interested in what people think of the issue even if it never happens here.
Brown Patch
5:43 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
"We are still interested in what people think of the issue even if it never happens here."
What kind of stupid response is that? Obviously this worthless publication has no journalistic integrity and is yet another sensationalist rag. The law clearly states that FOID information is exempt from public request, yet the Patch thinks it's worthy of a discussion. Rather, it does nothing more but add more worthless commentary from misinformed gun control proponents (including this publication) under the guise of being impartial.
Sam
7:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I have been a legal gun owner as well as many of my friends. If the state or city of Highland Park wants the real bad guys to know where they can get loaded guns, then by all means post the addresses. It's not a gun issue, its our government, our laws, and our public safety that can't seem to keep track of nut cases like the recent mass killers in the news. And honestly, HP police couldn't protect you from a armed home invasion quick enough, so I would much rather play on an equal playing field. Nothing is going to protect you from a loaded gun except another loaded gun.
Millie
1:17 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Why do the Patch Editors think it would be a "public service'?
Holly Walters
1:31 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I don't understand how having access to such a map would be useful. Once we have the information, what would we do with it?
Moe @ the Buck
1:33 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Give it a try Patch. Let me know how that works out. Can we also get the names, addresses, and list of medications of all who have mental illnesses in the North Shore? I'll bet that map is much larger than legal firearm owners.
Millie
2:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Moe
Don't give Patch any ideas. ;-)
LF parent
7:13 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Agreed. As the freedoms of the over-governed population continue to be reduced by the pathetic self-righteous politicians, we continue to drift toward the Big Brother Society of '1984'. As Mike Pandolfo said, "“Now everyone knows where the LEGAL GUNS are kept, a valuable piece of information for criminals. Why don't you do something helpful, like trying to find out where the ILLEGAL GUNS are kept? That would be helpful to the non-criminal population.” Give drug addicts the location of a new stash, give insurance companies individual DNA profiles so they can cancel/deny 'at risk' coverage, etc. When will enough be be enough?
forest barbieri
1:39 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Guess it is a slow news day for the Patch:) Maybe a map listing Kilowatts or water usage? How about a map of people with trees over 12"?
Moe @ the Buck
1:41 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Holly, We wouldn't do anything with it. However it is a Holiday wish list for lots of violent criminals. Don't worry though, this is a way for patch to make people angry. Now, just breathe deep everyone, innnn and ouuut. Ok, were all good.
Jenny Stringer
2:09 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
That's ridiculous!! So they can get robbed?? That makes no sense!!!!
Carl Castrogiovanni
8:46 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Jenny,
Criminals would AVOID houses where they knew the owners were armed, and instead target the unarmed homes... So, you're right that it makes no sense to publish such info, but the gun-banners who want this type of stuff don't think things through...
Patrick
9:17 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I agree, bad people would target these homes, now that handguns are 400.00 plus, and nowhere to buy them legally.
Chi-an Chang
2:12 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
@kuma076 said on Twitter: sure let every criminal in cook and lake know which homes are unprotected and which homes they can try to steal guns from.
IMHO
3:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
So kuma thinks the criminals are going to target the homes with guns so they can steal them? Riiiiiiight.
Willie Wilmette
11:13 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
kuma076 I am afraid you are right. Any value of disclosing addresses of gun owners would be outweighed by the harm it would do.
How would people feel if the 1st amendment was treated this way and all subscribers of all publications were publicly listed or if everyone could see who sent you mail?
Chi-an Chang
2:13 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
@shinobi42 replied on Twitter: Considering problems with break ins in certain areas, as well as recent gun/gang violence, I would suggest not.
Chi-an Chang
2:15 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Jenny May Stringer wrote on Facebook: So they can get robbed??? NO!
Chi-an Chang
2:15 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Steve Cornelius wrote on Facebook: No, but feel free to publish addresses of non-gun owners to make it easier for criminals.
The Q
2:15 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
The Patch is becoming the northshore liberal review.......bunch of sheep
Millie
2:17 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
You mean it hasn't always been liberal?
Jim
2:26 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
How about publishing the IQs of Patch Editors. Gotta be fairly low.
Lonson Williams
2:47 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Silly. You're supposed to be journalists. You should be able to figure out whether to publish it on your own
Brian
2:49 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
So, it got someone else a lot of attention(disregard good or bad) so why not try it here, right?
Shouldn't you be reporting on the Kardashian pregnancy?
richard fitswell
2:50 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Y'all can consider my house Armed and Dangerous. Feel Free to open the door and come on in.
richard fitswell
2:51 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
hey patch man is just doing his job...you see he gets credit everytime we post. and thats fine.
Moe @ the Buck
2:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Can someone please throw some gasoline on this fire? I'm getting bored. Where's Brian at a time like this? Melanie Lewis, can you please confuse the hell out of all of us right now?
Chi-an Chang
3:04 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Pat Bruno wrote on Facebook: not unless they publish anyone that has been arrested for anything, criminals will always find a way.
IMHO
3:07 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
A citizen has the right to know if his/her next door neighbor is lethally armed. I would not let my child go into a house where guns were present. Don't I have the right to protect my child? Don't I have a right to know if there is a legal gun in a house next to me that also is the home of a convicted felon? I believe I do.
Chi-an Chang
3:08 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Thanks for sharing your thought.
John Kerr2nd
6:46 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
So you don't own a gun? Please post your address.
Carl Castrogiovanni
8:51 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
John Kerr,
1) YOU are "lethally armed" if you possess a car, a gas can, propane tank, kitchen knives, chain saw, lawn mower, etc., etc., etc. in your home!
2) By definition, a convicted felon does not have a "legal gun". Any gun in the posession of a convicted felon is illegal...
Willie Wilmette
11:21 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
A citizen has the right to know if his/her next door neighbor is lethally armed. I would not let my child go into a house where knives were present. Don't I have the right to protect my child? Don't I have a right to know if there is a legal gun in a house next to me that also is the home of a convicted felon? Oh wait convicted felons lose the right to bare arms.
I do not want my child going into a house that receives porn mags, High Times, religious publications, or the Monthly Review(a communist monthly), why isn't that information public?
Don't we have a free press? ;-)
Moe @ the Buck
3:13 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
You could just ask your neighbor if he/she has firearms before you send your kid over there. Most legal gun owners would tell a concerned parent they do own firearms and if thats a problem they would usually make other arrangements.
IMHO
3:39 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
"Welcome to my home and, by the way, I keep an AK47 in my closet"? I don't think so.
Carl Castrogiovanni
8:53 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
John Kerr,
Just because YOU don't think so, doesn't make it so...
Willie Wilmette
11:24 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
"Welcome to my home and, by the way, I keep a gun safely locked in my gun cabinet"? I would hope so.
richard fitswell
3:22 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
@john kerr. you are correct and i would let you know before.
IMHO
3:40 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
But would your children tell my children when they come into your house to play? I don't think so.
richard fitswell
3:24 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
@john kerr no you do not have a legal right to know ...i have a right to have guns in my house. but were you or your loved ones would be told before entering so im covered
IMHO
3:44 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Do you currently have a sign posted on your front door now that warns people that guns are on the premises? Have you ever told a house guest as they entered your home that you have guns in your home? Or are you just talking?
McCloud
3:48 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John, like most libs, makes up new rights to fit the argument. Remember the healthcare debate? Next is food.
IMHO
3:52 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I don't follow the logic McCloud. What new rights did I make up?
richard fitswell
8:35 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
sir Your kids would not be allowed in my house until i interviewed you.
IMHO
5:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Thanks for the stupid comment Richard.
Carl Castrogiovanni
6:03 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
John Kerr wrote: "Thanks for the stupid comment Richard."
Pot.
Kettle.
Black.
Moe @ the Buck
3:30 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Do I get to review your medical records to see if theirs any mental illnesses in your household before letting my kid come over to your home?
IMHO
3:37 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Moe - your analogy doesn't work. Medical records are confidential. In the case of the NY counties where the gun owners were identified, it was public information that everyone had a right to see. If you had a sexual predator living in your house I would want to know, and that is also public information.
Millie
3:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John
Patch published addresses of Sexual Predators in October 2012
IMHO
4:04 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Right Millie, so therefore - if gun ownership is public information, then the Patch should also publish it as well.
Millie
4:07 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Patch should just publish info that its available and how to look it up.
RonnieTheLimoDriver
8:41 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Kerr, what you cannot seem to get through your mind is that in fact this is NOT public information in Illinois, any more than your driver's license or your mental health records are public info. You may not like it, but that’s the law. You are going to have to continue to live in fear that these evil guns are going to jump out of locked closets and shoot themselves at you without human intervention.
Willie Wilmette
11:34 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Gun ownership records in Illinois is currently protected just like medical records. The question was should it stay this way. Since there are more gun owners than non-gun owners (almost twice as many guns as households), it would be cheaper to publish that later, but I stray from the issue.
IMHO
5:44 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Ronnie - I did get it though my mind (unlike you) that this was a rhetorical discussion. Read the first few posts and you might understand.
RonnieTheLimoDriver
7:50 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Kerr, you are full of bovine excrement. There was nothing in this article or discussion by you that acknowledged this was purely a rhetorical discussion since its not legal in IL to disclose this info. In fact, until I posted the link I did, the author made no reference to the legal implications of this discussion. I would also like to point out during the discussion on this in IL a few years back, the State Police was STRONGLY against the disclosure of this info. Its good to know your opinion runs counter to that of both law enforcement and our elected officials. You are advocating a very extreme position.
IMHO
8:28 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ronnie, I was referring to the second and third comments at the very top of this thread. Thank you for bringing vulgarity into the discussion.
RonnieTheLimoDriver
9:11 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Kerr, why did you change your user name? Are you afraid criminals will be aware of your anti-gun paranoia and strike your home? I thought you wanted all info public. IMHO=Kerr and he/she HATES guns.
IMHO
9:22 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I wanted to hide behind a fake name just like you Ronnie. I think it's cowardly to promote ideas and opinions using a phony name.
RonnieTheLimoDriver
9:28 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
John Kerr of Evanston, you may think its cowardly to post ideas under a pseudonym, but I happen to think posting your real name on the Internet while discussing your absolute disdain for firearms is foolish. I would rather be a coward than a fool. Also, I am not the one who is advocating for "full disclosure" around here, its you. It’s the ultimate irony that you don't want your info disclosed but you want legal gun owners info published. Almost as ironic as the newspaper in NY hiring ARMED guards after they published their story.
Chi-an Chang
3:36 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
@kuma076 wrote on Twitter: it's a terrible idea that serves absolutely no purpose other then to treat lawful citizens like criminals.
IMHO
3:50 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
If it's public information we all have a right to see it. No one is treating them like criminals.
Millie
3:55 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John
If it's public information you can take the time and go look up which of your neighbors has a gun. Just like you can look up his property taxes.
IMHO
4:01 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Millie - the question is "does the public have the right to know?". And I say that if it's public information then the answer is "yes we do". How we obtain that information - personal research or published in a newspaper - is irrelevant.
Carl Castrogiovanni
8:57 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
John Kerr,
It is NOT public information in Illinois at this time. See my post above about who criminals will target if such info is published (it WON'T be the gun households)...
IMHO
5:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Yes Carl, we know. Read the beginning of this is discussion.
Carl Castrogiovanni
6:02 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
"Yes Carl, we know. "
Then, why do you keep flogging that dead horse?
Brian
3:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
You should have a psych test run on every parent whose house your child may enter as well.
Better yet, build a bubble around them.
IMHO
4:08 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I don't think keeping my children away from unsupervised firearms is going to extremes, but apparently you do.
Brian
4:10 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
The bubble John, it's going to work the best in the long run.
IMHO
4:15 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Thanks for the intelligent contribution to this discussion. Apparently you have nothing of substance to add.
Carl Castrogiovanni
8:56 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
"Thanks for the intelligent contribution to this discussion. Apparently you have nothing of substance to add."
Just because youdidn't get his refernce to "the bubble" doesn't mean the rest of are as unaware as you. Try to avoid attacking the messenger the way you just did there...
IMHO
5:49 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Gosh I missed the brilliant "bubble" reference. My bad! i also missed any intelligent thought that would promote this discussion.
Carl Castrogiovanni
6:05 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
John Kerr wrote: " i also missed any intelligent thought that would promote this discussion."
We're still waiting for your contribution, John... You haven't yet provided a compelling reason for this information to be public...
McCloud
4:08 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Forget about the gun using criminals who are released every day by the thousands, we need to crack down on law abiding gun owners. Good grief.
IMHO
4:09 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Identifying them is not the same as "cracking down" on them.
The Q
9:10 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Come john really......have you lost your mind. 1984.......where does it end?
Willie Wilmette
11:40 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Identifying radical liberals is not the same as "cracking down" on them.
Outing gays is not the same as "cracking down" on them.
Identifying stupid people using equally stupid comments is not the same as "cracking down" on them. Sorry, just talking to myself.
IMHO
5:52 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
I may have lost my mind Q, but all I'm saying is that IF it is public information (as it is in New York but not in Illinois) and thre is some public benefit, then it should be published.
Moe @ the Buck
4:29 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John,
Non gun owners post signs such as "This home is protected by 357 magnum". They do it in hope they deter burglars. Most criminals rob homes that advertise firearms. Legal gun owners rarely advertise gun ownership. Teach you children guns are dangerous and ask questions when bringing your kids to others homes. If you feel uncomfortable, don't leave your kids there. Gut feelings work.
IMHO
4:38 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
1. Non gun owners post signs such as "This home is protected by 357 magnum". They do it in hope they deter burglars. - yeah, so what's your point? 2. Most criminals rob homes that advertise firearms. - Really, that surprises me. Where did you get that information? 3. Legal gun owners rarely advertise gun ownership. - yeah, why would they unless they had to? 4. Teach you children guns are dangerous - believe me, I do - and 5. ask questions when bringing your kids to others homes. If you feel uncomfortable, don't leave your kids there. Gut feelings work. - "do your parents have firearms in the house?" Sorry, not a reasonable option to rely on 'gut' feelings. Again, the question is "should gun owners be identified?" and I say "yes - as long as the info is public anyway".
Millie
5:29 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I would assume most burglaries' take place when people aren't home
Millie
5:31 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John you couple pass out questionnaires to all your kids friends parents.
IMHO
6:00 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Millie - you must not care about who your kids hang out with. I do. If their friend's parents keep firearms in their home, I do not want my kids playing there. You seem to think that's unreasonable.
Millie
6:42 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Quite the opposite John. You appear to be going about it the wrong way. I know who my kids play with and am friends with parents socially on occasion. You appear to be going off the deep end and want to alienate everyone including your children. If you raised them they will know guns are not toys and shouldn't be played with,
Millie
7:53 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
John
There is nothing wrong with identifying Gun owners. What is right about it and over the years have we known who owned a gun and have we cared. Of course you realize that probably includes hunters.
WILL THIS MEAN YOU WILL PICK YOUR FRIENDS NEIGHBORS ACCOCIATES AND FELLOW WORKERS BY WHO OWNS A GUN?
IMHO
8:26 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Millie - how am I "going off the deep end and alienating my children" because I don't want them in households with firearms? Do you want your children in households with firearms? My children know that guns are not toys, but I'm not so sure about children who live in a home with firearms. Do you think that is " going off the deep end?". Really?
Millie
9:39 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
JOHN
I don't know what's in a persons house I don't do inventory before I decide if I am going to sit down for coffee
your telling your children who there friends can be. Prior to the tragic shooting in Connecticut it was ok to hang out with someone. But today you found out daddy has a gun someplace in house so today your banned from that house.
Try talking to a therapist I'm not one
Old H.P.
4:45 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Fun string, I must admit I have a sign on my front lawn that says protected by smith & Weston but guy next door only has ABT your call.
Millie
5:26 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I'd go with ABT and a loud barking dog
Gary
4:50 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Hmmmm. Why stop at gun ownership?
How about a map showing who's on the welfare roles? That would be entertaining.
How about a map showing everyone who had an abortion? Public money is going to pay for it now, so it should be public knowledge.
There's a whole bunch of fun maps we can come up with.
IMHO
5:58 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Gary - if all that information were available to the public and it serves the public's interest, then it should be published. Medical information is understandably confidential, so I'm afraid your abortion data would not be available.
RonnieTheLimoDriver
9:40 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
IMHO, I have been able to find your employer, your home address, and your facebook profile all with 1 google search because you previously disclosed your name and your location. I will not publish that info because I think it puts your family at risk since all the bad guys will know now you are defenseless. Its public info but that does not mean its right to publish it.
IMHO
6:04 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
No one in the discussion has provided a good reason why the names of gun owners should not be published.
McCloud
6:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
You have not provided a good reason why it should be published. Being a helicopter parent is not a good enough reason
IMHO
7:09 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
McClure - I have made the point many times in this thread: if it is public information and there is public benefit, then publish it.
Jim
6:15 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
We live in a dangerous world. I suspect thaqt most gun owners know that there is no one to protect them and their families other than themselves. those folks who feel otherwise are entitled to their opinions and to not be protected.
Jennifer Fisher
6:16 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Neal Weingarden posted on Facebook: "Since we do not have CC in this wonderful state, all this will do is tell the criminals where the guns are while the law respecting owners are at work. Posting the addresses will only make it easier to put guns in the hands of the wrong people...."
Jennifer Fisher
6:17 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Also on Facebook, Benjamin Alp wrote: "NO asking for problems Stealing and what not. anyways pepole who would have the FOID/Permit already have met the requirements to have a weapon in the house."
J C
6:32 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Me thinks it's not the LEAGLE owners we need worry about.
Let's publish a list of everyone arrested for ILLEAGLE ownership.
And a list of dope dealers and DUI ofenders.
IMHO
7:18 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
JC - what's wrong with identifying legal gun owners?
Willie Wilmette
11:51 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
J C, next you will ask that we strictly enforce the USE, CARRY OR POSSESS A FIREARM IN RELATION TO OR IN FURTHERANCE OF A DRUG FELONY OR A FEDERAL CRIME OF VIOLENCE law.
18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment, without parole, or death if death results from use of firearm. Sentence must be served consecutive to any other sentence. Mandatory minimum sentence increases depending upon: the type of firearm involved (sawed-off gun, silencer, etc.); whether more than one offense was committed; and whether gun was simply possessed or was brandished or discharged.
Just because it cuts gun violence in half and it is already on the books (but seldom used around here) doesn't mean that it is a good law or does it? It is a federal law so they go to federal prison, so it would not cost Illinois much.
Moe @ the Buck
6:43 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Jennifer, what are you doing in this controversial forum? Get out of here before things get ugly! Everyone else, duck down and be quiet, maybe John kerr will go on to worrying about his kids being in a dangerous same sex marriage home.
Millie
6:45 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Moe@ the Buck
I SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE
IMHO
7:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I also support same sex marriage.
Jennifer Fisher
7:23 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Hah, it is very controversial in here isn't it? Just passing on some comments from readers while trying to dodge the fire (pun intended...)
John Kerr2nd
6:50 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
To John Kerr Please Post your home address.
IMHO
7:09 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Irrelevant and silly.
Moe @ the Buck
7:02 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I DO TOO MILLIE. It was sarcasm. Sorry.
Millie
7:49 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
That was not a problem Moe. Hugs
Jennifer Fisher
7:36 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Liz Mauck Ribeiro posted this response on Facebook: "This could endanger police as well by publishing their addresses."
Moe @ the Buck
7:54 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Patch readers: as Ronniethelimodriver was so helpful in supplying us with Illinois laws in regards to Freedom Of Information Act, it is against the law too supply information regarding FOID, and also releasing law enforcements addresses. This is all hypothetical as far as Im concerned. John kerr, I would suggest you jump on the anti-CC bandwagon if you plan to make a difference. Not related, but I remember seeing guns in my home since far back as I remember. No one ever told me, but i knew I wasn't supposed to touch them, or ever point a gun at anyone. Educate and don't shelter your children.
IMHO
5:58 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
I don't want my children around guns. Period, end-of-story.
Moe @ the Buck
8:12 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
No Millie, BIG hugs. Every time I see your posts, I hear Lil' Wayne(a rapper) saying "milli,a milli,a milli,milli,milli,a milli,amilli............
Millie
9:48 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
;-)
Harry Gio
7:27 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Maps??? Why should the bad guys know who is a gun owner and who is not? Having MORE gun owners will make for a more POLITE society.
chris
8:10 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
This is yet another dopey liberal idea. Not meant to protect anyone, just the usual cowardly back biting of the lisping left.
IMHO
5:59 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Thanks for just calling people names and offering no intelligent comment.
Harry Gio
8:30 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Having a map to show who has a gun will endanger the homeowners that do NOT have a gun; especially the elderly and the disabled... Duh! Why create the "Perfect" scenario for Burglars and Home Invaders to operate nore efficiently? This will allow for MORE crime to come into our neighborhoods!!!
IMHO
6:01 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Don't park your car in front of your house either. I'm sorry you have bought ino the culture of fear.
Harry Gio
8:32 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Liberalism... It doesn't work!
Harry Gio
8:36 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Why not just leave a sign in front of everyone's house "GUN OWNER" and "NO GUNS HERE"... Makes a lot of sense... Yea, right.......
Alejandra Lule-Rivera
8:38 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
NO- this would just make those households target for criminals wanting to get guns. You have to look at statistics, most crimes with guns aren't committed by law abiding, permit carrying people, but by those that acquire the guns illegaly, like purchasing on a street corner.
Eric Lieberman
8:40 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Here is something every citizen in favor of publishing the names of gun owners can do...today. Print out your own little sign that says "This House is a Gun Free Zone" and post it in your front window. Get creative and use the international symbol for "no guns". I am being facetious...but I can imagine it happening!
Darwaldio
8:51 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
I own a flame thrower and a rocket launcher. Come get some.
Antonia Duhe
10:18 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
Think the Parch editors should release their info...all info.
We want to know:
Do they have guns?
How much money is in their bank account?
What is their salary?
Are they on time for work?
What medications are they now or have they ever been on?
What psychiatric services have they ever had!
Have they had abortions!
Have they ever been arrested? Why? How many times?
What do their neighbors say about them?
Do they beat their spouse or children ?
What does their spouse or ex-spouse or ex say about them?
Are their bills paid? On time or late?
What is in their complete medical record?
Have they ever had or do they have an STD?
Do they have AIDS?
Are they green compliant! What is in their recycling ?
We would also like this information about all their family members ?
You like Big Brother? You folks all
Communists or just brain-washed??
This is the United States of America...with a legal 200 year old tried and true Constitution? We are a Republic. We have rights to privacy. Why not ask how the folks feel
Illegal publishing of private information or perhaps how they feel about Bill Ayers, a terrorist, being invited into the schools we pay for with our tax dollars to speak to our children?
Willie Wilmette
12:01 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
I wish I said that.
IMHO
6:04 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
The list of gun owners in New York was publicly available information. Are you suggesting we censor that information?
Antonia Duhe
12:23 am on Wednesday, April 10, 2013
I am suggesting we have a liberal, irresponsible press who are using the power of the pen to intimidate gun owners to comply with the constitution-killing liberal
Ideology.
richard fitswell
10:21 am on Friday, January 4, 2013
@ mr. kerr
to be safe just assume all of us are packing heat. and if northbrook court gets shot up by crazy person dont run my way you might get caught up in friendly fire. but at least it would be friendly. sir your in my way please move.
Chi-an Chang
1:30 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Kevin Countois wrote on Facebook: They list home values and realestate deals. Why not gun ownership?
Chi-an Chang
1:31 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Ginee Wozniak Ames wrote on Facebook: No. That puts the unprotected in harms way.
Chi-an Chang
1:33 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Andrew Singer wrote on Facebook: How is publishing a map to show criminals who legally owns guns make anyone safer? It would make everyone else a target as criminals generally would like to avoid the chance of a victim defending themselves.
Chi-an Chang
1:34 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Joe Peddle wrote on Facebook: What a stupid question, of course not. Just as dumb as telling criminal who doesn't have a gun.
Chi-an Chang
1:36 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Steve Cornelius wrote on Facebook: A study by MIT in 2010 showed that publishing the names and locations of registered gun owners resulted in lower crime rates in areas with higher gun ownership (duh!) and higher crime rates in areas with lower gun ownership. http://is.gd/WKhmej
Chi-an Chang
1:37 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Kristina Andaya wrote on Facebook: Yes, guns are a hot commodity especially for thieves. This is why if you purchase a gun it should be through a registered agent. IF you choose to purchase through a private party sale, have your local PD do a check to ensure that 1. it is not stolen, and 2. that the person you are buying from is not a criminal. On a side note...I think this is a ridiculous idea. What's next? Publishing addresses of those who own kitchen knives?
Jim Osburn
2:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
In one community, a hand made sign was posted that said "House protected by Python." Not sure if it meant the handgun or the snake!
richard fitswell
3:57 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
How bout a sign thats says Democrat lives here...Now that would be helpful
june shellene
4:16 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
If you believe gun ownership is immoral, you should have the courage to advertise that, just as you advertise the fact you think a certain person should be voted into office. You are "voting" for gun confiscation, after all, if you are furthering that agenda. To not put out a sign would be cowardly. I might add that most of the people who vote for the candidates put forth by the corporate media are cowards...a given, because they do not have the courage to stand up and say we really have NO choice when it comes to voting...so I would NEVER expect these people to have the courage to put up a sign to say..."Hey, all you criminals...we have no guns...but we're all a bunch of brainwashed liberals...and we TRUST you...because...we're all ONE...right? Come on...when you enter our houses with your weapon...I'm sure we'll all have a nice conversation so we all recognize our oneness...even though we make $200,000
a year...and your mama makes $20,000...because we have such a honest and free society...heck...we even have a black president."
Lior Bega
5:36 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Why do we want to give info for criminals to come and steal weapon from lawfull citizen. Only the police should have this info
Carl Castrogiovanni
5:51 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
House A) gun owner - potentially good stuff to steal (valuables plus the guns), but potentially lethal risk to the perp...
House B) non gun owner - potentially good stuff to steal (valuables just like anyone else), but less lethal risk to the perp...
Which one will the perp choose?
Sometimes, the best way to teach people not to pee on the electric fence is just to let them pee on the electric fence. So, maybe we let the lefties have their tax increases and gun reporting...
{as long as they are forced to own the results...}
Tea
8:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL!!!! This is crazy, people! The question that was posed is so stupid that I refuse to comment!
LaVerne
9:34 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Google used to publish a telephone number map. Put in a number gave address and you could get directions on how to get to the house
gentpkt
12:04 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Chi-an, first let me commend you on choosing such a beautiful photo for this thread. Hollow points and everything! Shocked you folks had such a beauty on file. Put your head on your desk now.
Carl, Richard, and Eric, you guys are on fire! Awesome, keep it up! John K, why you omitted the "y" from your sir name we may never know but Millie made a dart of a point and you refuse to acknowledge it. She indicated that she belongs to a community that knows one another and interacts. You sir see only segregation as a solution. What are you? Maybe you should send your kids to your neighbors house and leave them there while they still have a chance to think for themselves. You are a fool if you think that this data should be published. Follow some of the links published earlier in this thread and READ THEM!
Fool!
ron tate
7:11 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
So, John Kerr, you would not allow you children in a house where a gun is present? Therefore, they cannot be friends with the child of a policeman, FBI agent, Secret Service agent, etc. Your child would not be allowed in the presence of Nancy Proposition or her husband (they are both licenced to carry concealed). You would not allow them in the White House or to be friends with the president's children (lots of guns - including machine guns and ASSAULT WEAPONS around there). However, you don't mind not knowing that their best friends parent is a diagnosed schizo with violent tendencies and daydreams of child rape. After all, that is protected private medical information.
IMHO
8:38 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Sorry Ron, but where did I say my kid's best friends parent is schizo? You are making things up and putting words in my mouth.
Millie
9:23 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I C Arnold bought a TANK He must be really worried
Moe @ the Buck
12:22 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Chi-an, you did a great job causing so much controversy over something that is illegal anyway. Can we please move on, this one got so bad that John kerr needed to change his name. We got it John, you and your family don't want to be around guns. Maybe you'll consider moving to Japan? Chi-an and the patch will miss you though, for you are the one who keeps these senseless debates going. Take a break and take your kids to the arcade or something. No, that's a bad idea, there's guns there too. Well, just play board games Im a closet, with a blanket over your heads, with the lights out;o
Minty
12:24 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
I dont own a gun. Posting maps/lists of gunowners is the same as posting maps/lists of non-gunowners. It is saying where to steal a gun, and where to steal and not worry about getting shot. It is saying where all the military, cops, prison guards with unlisted numbers live for whoever holds a grudge. I dont own a gun, but if I lived in those counties, today i would buy one
Kitty Morgan
7:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ok...Constitutional right for both freedom of the (slimy, socialist-marxist-almost communist, yellow, zealously fanatic & purposefully ignorant) press & the right own & bear arms. Fine, then. Neither "right" removes our citizen RESPONSIBILITIES to think before we act or to accept accountability for our choices afterward. So, if any of those gun owners have their guns stolen, sue not only the local paper but the parent company. If future statistics show that unprotected homes are robbed more often then they should do the same.
If a "media" source published the names & stats of "legally" protected sexual perverts, & some idiot then used that info to break into their homes for illegal purposes, don't you think the liberal politicians would be acting oppositely?
Millie
9:25 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
We are looking into getting a couple Tanks. One for front yard and one for back of house. Between the wild animal's and people we think it will help
RonnieTheLimoDriver
9:28 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Now that the ARMY is using the M1A2 Abrams, perhaps you can get a deal on the M1A1. You should easily be able to handle the coyotes on the loose. Terrible gas mileage though.
Millie
9:30 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013
Ronnie
Thanks for the tip. Going to try and contact Arnold also
richard fitswell
11:44 am on Sunday, January 6, 2013
i would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.